Curse

Kyrein · Apr 11, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/featu...ToWinPart1.htm

i recommend you read that

and please, do not say "OMGZ THAT GUY IS A CHEAP NOOB"

mr_groovy · Apr 11, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

OMGZ THAT GUY IS A CHEAP NuB

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I submit that ultimate goal of the “playing to win” mindset is ironically not just to win…but to improve. So practice, improve, play with discipline, and play to win.

So his end conclusion is to get better, Ursan fails at getting better.

Dark Kal · Apr 11, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

The Ursan issue is really simple: The majority of players use Ursan (something Ursan haters always complain about) hence the majority of GW players like Ursan, since they wouldn't be playing it if the hated it, therefor the minority of Ursan haters should STFU.

Shuuda · Apr 11, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/featu...ToWinPart1.htm

i recommend you read that

and please, do not say "OMGZ THAT GUY IS A CHEAP NOOB"

That article only applies to competitive play, you fail.

Kyrein · Apr 11, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

i lol

neither of you understood the part about cheapness and scrubs i see

it applies to all gameplay

whatever wins, the scrubs will call it cheap

and shuuda, are economies non-competitive?

also, groovy, there is the bit about "scrubs cannot improve unless they remove their own home-made rules"

Shuuda · Apr 11, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

i lol

neither of you understood the part about cheapness and scrubs i see

As a PvP, I'm more than familar with this stuff. As mr_groovy said, Ursan does not improve you, so your not winning, your going nothere in fact.

Kyrein · Apr 11, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

........neither of you read it all and understood it, did you?

Shuuda · Apr 11, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

........neither of you read it all and understood it did you?

Your the one who doesn't understand, that article does not apply to PvE since it is non competitive. In PvE you don't need skills to win, you can C-space it all. In PvP, (high end atleast) that's where you have to do whatever it takes to win. Your posting about things you cannot comprehend.

You may think that Ursan wins, but what does it win? Something that takes no skill anyway? Does it improve you? No. does it help you in PvP? No. Where does it get you as far as what truely matters in this game? Nowhere. A scrub is someone who holds themselves back, and that's what playing Ursan does, it holds you back from PvP and becoming good.

Kyrein · Apr 11, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

i give up on you poor, stupid people

Angelic Upstart · Apr 11, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I skimmed through it, just a load of elitist bollocks.

As far as i am concerned the word scrub, is one used by people who have a self inflated sense of worth to describe someone they think of as being beneath them.

i give up on you poor, stupid people

Here is a classic example....

zwei2stein · Apr 11, 2008, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

neither of you understood the part about cheapness and scrubs i see

I think you don't understand that article at all.

Shuuda · Apr 11, 2008, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

i give up on you poor, stupid people

Like wise, you can keep holding yourself back like a scrub, thinking that all the money from Ursan makes you a good Players, but any truely good players moved on to PvP a while ago. By going Ursan, your merely staying in scurbland (or PvE as some like to call it)

Yes, call me elitist, deny the facts if you wish.

Sjeng · Apr 11, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Doing one move or sequence over and over and over is another great way to get called cheap. This goes right to the heart of the matter: why can the scrub not defeat something so obvious and telegraphed as a single move done over and over? Is he such a poor player that he can’t counter that move? And if the move is, for whatever reason, extremely difficult to counter, then wouldn’t I be a fool for not using that move? The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing.

A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which ones tries to win at all costs is “boring” or “not fun.” Let’s consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play “for fun” and not explore the extremities of the game. They won’t find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns.

First off: this entire article is about competitive play, or PvP (street fighter in the example). So this entire article is kind of inappropriate, unless you call the mobs the "scrubs" and the player the "good player". Which is silly imo.

Secondly: This quote implies that the good players would use a certain skill over and over to win (ursan). The scrubs would use different skills and therefore not play to win. Which, imo, is utter nonsense. You play however YOU want to play. End of story. Ursan haters might call ursan lovers cheap, but I couldn't care less.

Conclusion: (as stated in multiple ursan QQ threads): play the way YOU want to play, and stop whining about how others play. Let people use Ursan if they want to. Do not use it if you don't want to. Stop the blasted QQing already. please please close this thread. It's totally irrelevant.

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In PvE you don't need skills to win, you can C-space it all.

THAT, is a personal opinion, to which I do not agree at ALL. Moreover, I find it insulting.
Sigh. now this thread has not only become another Ursan QQ thread, but also a "PvP>PvE" thread. God. *walks out of thread*

isamu kurosawa · Apr 11, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

i give up on you poor, stupid people

Take a look in the mirror.

the majority of ursan haters can perform better in a well balanced team than the average ursan lasyer anyway, making what your saying rediculous.

Ursan is like using cheats in an offline game to boost your stats, using it in such a game "to win" because you cannot beat the game the way others can does not make you better than those that dont need them. Quite the reverse.

Shuuda · Apr 11, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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THAT, is a personal opinion, to which I do not agree at ALL. Moreover, I find it insulting.
Sigh. now this thread has not only become another Ursan QQ thread, but also a "PvP>PvE" thread. God. *walks out of thread*

I'll admit I exaggerated with the C-space thing, but my point is, that PvE is generally easy compared to PvP.

ANd I perfer to call them PvE denialfests.

Kamatsu · Apr 11, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

This thread is going nowhere fast. Closing before it degenerates further.. oh and a whine about whining = fail